Guns deter the average criminal from stepping to a citizen with crime related activity. The only thing that deters crime are more police so its really a matter of do you want to defend yourself or do you want the state/gov to defend you.

Good point and also:

Who defends you from the Government?

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You dont need to be defended from them. They'll never hurt you and always have your best interests in mind because without you, well, alot of you, where would they be.

It's funny because in this sort of argument Americans ALWAYS bring up Breivik. Like yeah theer just was ANOTHER dude who shot up a mall in POrtland or wherever it was BUT OMG LOOK AT NORWAY. We all know that happened. But why is it that you remember that one occurence? Because it hardly ever happens in Europe. When is the last time you heard about someone going on a killing spree in Europe (think about it before running to Google). An ideal world doens't exist, we all know that. But the difference in Norway is that while y'all would be saying "Well, next time give guns to all the kids", they say the exact opposite and try to beef their gun control even more. So, yeah, it's all about culture/mentality.

I get all of that BUT WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GUYS SO SCARED OF YOUR OWN GVT????????? No one had been able to answer this simple question in all these threads. Y'all make it sound like you're living in Afghanistan or ****. You guys still take King George as a reference? And again, what is it in the US that y'all are so paranoid about your gvt, give me ONE instance in which the gvt attacked its own citizens (I'm not talking about repressing a riot for example...I'm talking a full-scale military attack), and did the fact taht y'all had guns change anything? Why is it that of all the developped countries only the US come up with this "I gotta protect myself from my own government" rhetoric?

And before bringing up Egypt and those places, you really think they just went out and bought arms legally? That's the Middle-East breh, of course guns are in circulation with Israël, Gaza, Iran, Lebanon in the area...but are you really comparing the US to those places? With all respect to those countries, they're far from being at the same spot as the US or other developed countries. It's not the fact that some had guns and rifles out there that toppled the regime, it's the fact taht teh whole damn country rose against a tyran (who's the last American president that was a tyran?) and that the army did not go crazy and shoot them all. But they could have, make no mistake. Look at Syria, the "civilians" (who are really rebel groups) have arms, but you don't see them winning. Why? Because there's a whole ARMY in front of them. And in Lybia those were rebel movements too (some with weapons smuggled from the outside, others...with weapons from the army), so we're either talking about "civilians" or "rebel movements", those are two very different things. And if you really think it's all gravy now in those countries, you must not be watching the news. BUt taht's neither here nor there.

Let's entertain the thought though: you talk about guerilla warfare and whatnot, IF the gvt decided to attack its own population, why do you think they wouldn't just bomb the apartment building you're hiding in with your rifle? I'd say that the only reason they wouldn't do it would be someone saying "There might be civilians in there", but if they are already go crazy enough to attack their own population, they wouldn't care one bit I guess. Your best hope would be soldiers rallying your opposition, and that doesn't have anything to do with whether you have rifles or not. Breh they'll fly a drone in your building before you even load your rifle.

For me, this argument just doesn't hold against logic. I see no other reason than tradition and wide-spread distrust of your fellow citizens/government as a reason for you guys to stick to your guns, I personally find it crazy (given the consequences and the fact that it can only lead to an escalation of guns in circulation) but to each his own. The very fact that people can actually seriously say "The answer to gun violence is more guns" is mindblowing. Whatever, but the whole "I need protection from my gvt" doens't make any sense IMO.

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well well well

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another day another mass shooting


but this time small children

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I think this might finally do it.

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Pro gun people, shouldn't you be the main ones fighting for gun control. If you feel it's a great privilege and responsibilty, wouldn't you want to keep it as safe and sacred as posible. Less crazy people with guns actualy helps your position so why not fight for this outcome?

I support mandatory training, psyche evals, and background checks. A lot of states already have this in place.

I don't support outright banning weapons.

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I don't know of any states that have psyche checks. I know Ohio is considered one of the more difficult states to acquire a gun, and the license program is a joke, your basically just paying someone to hand you a certification.

With that said individual states having strict gun laws isn't enough. If Ohio makes them difficult to get, and Kentucky is selling them at Walmart, I'd just ride to Kentucky to get a weapon. There needs to be some federal guidelines put in place that all states must follow.

I guess we can close this thread now. Worst part is there's probably some crazy saying that this has nothing to do with gun control or "Would not have happened if the teachers/children" had guns

RIP to those kids.

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No more waiting. No more "it's not time" This needs to happen now.


1) All assault rifles should be banned for civilian use
2) No one with any mental condition that is known should be allowed to have a weapon. No one with bipolar disease or schizophrenia should be allowed to have a weapon.


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someone sticky this

gun control????--nah...things would be straight if white people controlled themselves...

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children - CNN.com

But its only guns that hurt people

Tragedies bring out the irrational fears of people who can't think long term.

I'm gonna grab some food and start replying to previous posts in a few.